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Reading opponents when your opponents know you VERY well

May 5th, 2008 · 2 Comments

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In a follow up to my last article, Reading Your Opponents, I’d like to talk about reading opponents who have a better than average read on you.

I have a weekly home poker game, as most of you know. It started off with rather unskilled players (myself included) and has since developed into a game of highly skilled players who are always working on improving their game. The table is getting harder each week.

A situation came up this week, that I thought was interesting and exemplifies a point I brought up in a previous post a few months ago, Playing Your Gut.

It was in the third round of the tournament game. The blinds were $20/$40. I had about $800 and was in the SB with A 8. Everyone, including the button, folds to me. With only one person to act behind me (my girlfriend at that), I decided that perhaps I should just try to take the pot right there. I raise 3x the BB, making it a $120 total to go.

Girls know how to play pokerNow, my girlfriend is a very good hyper-aggressive player in her own right who kindly listens to me ramble about poker on an almost daily basis. There probably isn’t anyone in the world who knows how I play better. She’s just watched everyone fold to me and for to make a basically textbook play of raising out of the SB, so she calls.

The flop comes A Q 6.

Okay. Not too bad for my hand. I’ve got top pair with a lousy kicker, but she probably would have raised had she had an Ace. Again, I play it by the book and make a standard continuation bet of another $120.

The BB calls.

So… she caught a piece of that. Now I put on my thinking cap. What could she call with? I put her on a Queen… maybe QJs or even KQs. I think she would have probably raised preflop with any Ace and definitely AQ, so it’s not that.

The turn comes 7.

Now, as much as she knows my play style, I know hers. She aggressive with mediocre hands when she senses weakness, so I check with that thought that if she bets, I’m probably coming over the top.

Course, she knows me too well. She checks.

The river now comes up as an 5.

I check again… that check on the turn worried me worse than her betting. A check is something I could expect if she had two pair or a set and trying to trap. My hand hadn’t improved. Hopefully she’s just check it down and we’d flip our cards over.

Course, like I said, she knows me too well. She goes all-in and smiles coyly.

I only had her covered by about $40 so this sent me to the tank. I know she knows how I play and she knows that I know she knows, etc etc… it’s was like a loop in my head. What could she have!?

The dealer called timed and gave me a minute left to act, so I went back to the only thing I thought I could rely on her was all the actions before the river:

  • She just called my pre-flop raise
  • She only called my continuation bet
  • She checked the turn

Out of all the possible hands she could be playing, it kept adding up to me that she had a pair of Queens and she thought I had an Ace.

At the 10 second mark, I finally call and watch the smile fade from my girlfriend’s beautiful face. She had Q9 (yes, another Q9 story! LOL)

Later, she said that I often over analyze a situation and that with just top pair, I was very likely to talk myself out of calling her. But, I knew she knew that. So, in the end, I went with my gut (something that she advised that I do more often, BTW). On the flop, I thought she had a Queen. My gut was screaming Queen by the way she played the hand until the river. I knew the way she played and I knew she played that way because she knew the way I played, which made me fearful of trap, but allowed me to narrow down her hand range correctly in the end.

Tags: David · Tournament Play · Live Play · Advanced Play

2 responses so far ↓

  • John // May 6, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Going with your gut can be effective for certain people, but I don’t think it’s very good general purpose Poker advice. For a person like yourself, it may be a good idea. When you approach the game from an analytical standpoint, and trust that your “hunches” are actually your subconscious putting together these analytical pieces before you are consciously aware of it, then your “hunches” can really be more than hunches.

    The better you get at something, the more automatic it can become. After hundreds and hundreds of hours of Street Fighter, I can definitely “feel” when my opponent is going to throw a fireball long before I see it on the screen.

    The danger in all of this for the noob is that unless you are careful, you can’t tell the difference between your “gut” that is guided by experience and your “gut” that is really just superstitious gambler nonsense. “I can *feel* that I’m going to hit that flush on the next card!”

    Anything that you can’t clearly quantify is difficult to reliably learn or teach. I know that I have difficulty telling the difference between my “hunch” that is an accurate assessment of my opponent odds of having a flush, and the “monsters under the bed” you alluded to in your earlier post.

  • David // May 7, 2008 at 7:32 am

    I agree that “going with your gut” can be a dangerous thing and downright foolish for inexperienced players. It’s something you have develop based on experience and analytical learning.

    But, I do think “gut instinct” is something that can be taught (or developed). All the pros have developed it.

    Perhaps your right that I’m straying a bit. “Gut” plays are not for the inexperienced. It’s a skill that I’m only recently developing, and I’m still a noob at it. But to take my game to the next level, I realize it’s something that has to happen. But, as you say, it’s based on analytical deduction set with a cornerstone of knowledge about the game.

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